If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Trawsfynydd and Blaenau Ffestiniog Railway

Discussion in 'Heritage railways & Centres in the Uk' started by WickhamofWare, Aug 21, 2009.

  1. DisusedBranch

    DisusedBranch Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    Here be haggis
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Yes he has. Right here:
    ... as has Rosedale...
    As an Englishman happily resident in Scotland for many years, I get extremely bored of the uber-nationalist "It's all naughty, bad Englandshire's fault" brigade.
    I love where I live, I contribute to the local economy by earning all my money from clients outwith Scotland and spending it all here, I have many precious, dear Scottish friends and a wonderful girlfriend, all of whom are mature, balanced and sensible in their views. But as soon as anyone I meet starts playing the 'small nation victim' card, my ears switch off.
    The point I'm making to this debate is, wherever you are from, be proud of your heritage and celebrate your culture by all means, but blaming the big, bad neighbours (how appropriate) for every perceived injustice is utter nonsense.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  2. Tuska

    Tuska New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    119
    Likes Received:
    30
    It's actually for all the reasons above, and I have family from England and Wales, and it's not just heritage, so I know what i'm saying when I state Wales is lacking in spending. Living on hand-outs from the EU is no way to live. Choosing to ignore that, doesn't make you right.

    I'm asking people not to be rude (fat chance of that) and condemn others for simply trying. If people are working hard to try and bring, for example, a broad gauge line to Scotland, or a new tram line in England, and the online community attacks them, however self-righteous they may feel, however justified they may assert their arguments are, I still feel obliged to defend those people giving up their time and money to try and make a difference.

    Though I do have to ask myself, if people are being negative, telling them they are negative, doesn't help matters. It's stating the obvious isn't it?
     
  3. Miff

    Miff Well-Known Member Friend

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,595
    Likes Received:
    840
    I agree. Therefore I hope you’ll stop telling people they’re being negative merely because they disagree with you. It doesn’t help matters. If you want to respond why not address their argument, not their attitude?
     
  4. Tuska

    Tuska New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    119
    Likes Received:
    30
  5. 35B

    35B Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    5,372
    Likes Received:
    3,308
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    One wonders, but the quote from the railway spokesman doesn’t fill me with confidence.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Bluenosejohn likes this.
  6. Tuska

    Tuska New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    119
    Likes Received:
    30
    A disappointing development.

    I support people anywhere who are trying in the face of adversity. And I have to respect the fact that there are drainage issues. Granted this is Wales, we are famous for H2O and sheep, and tiny little EU standard pipes may be adequate for parts of England, are wholly unacceptable for monsoon season in rural parts of the UK (jokes aside) but damage to infrastructure shouldn't have happened. If Network Rail find them to be at fault, they could risk losing their license and any hopes of a return to service for this mothballed line are thereby dashed...

    I hope this is not the case and just the Daily Post being dramatic... the vagueness of the article strikes me as odd...
     
  7. marshall5

    marshall5 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2010
    Messages:
    814
    Likes Received:
    398
    Location:
    i.o.m
    Not really surprising IMO - it's been a 'half-baked' scheme from the word "go".
    Ray.
     
  8. Forestpines

    Forestpines Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2009
    Messages:
    572
    Likes Received:
    481
    Location:
    Bristol
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Colin Dale always seems rather fond of saying they will be running trains by the end of next year - he's been saying that for over five years now and next year never seems to come.

    Maybe this was my interpretation, but I felt the Daily Post's reporter developing a healthy scepticism for the feasibility of the plans as the article progressed.
     
    Bluenosejohn and 35B like this.
  9. meeee

    meeee Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    167
    Don't worry it won't be long until he disappears of the face of the earth leaving a trail of debt again.

    Tim
     
    Forestpines likes this.
  10. Tuska

    Tuska New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    119
    Likes Received:
    30
    For those of us who don't know, could you please elaborate?
     
  11. meeee

    meeee Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    167
    Mr Dale had some previous business ventures in the area. Notably a cafe next to Llyn Trawsfynydd. He planned to run pleasure cruises on the lake and reportedly had ordered several boats that never turned up. A few years ago the staff left the cafe after they stopped being paid and it closed down. The local community group who leased the cafe terminated the lease after numerous breaches of the tennancy agreement. Mr Dale then got all defensive in the papers saying he had spent loads of his own money on it when it was actually the group who owned the building who had redevolped it. Mr Dale disappeared off to Essex leaving a trail of unpaid bills. He reappeared a few years later saying he was taken ill.

    He's been saying reopening the branch will be easy, and how he's ready to pour money into it for about 10 years now.

    Tim
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2017
    Forestpines likes this.
  12. Tuska

    Tuska New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    119
    Likes Received:
    30
    Well, let's be thankful Network Rail own the line then.
     
  13. Forestpines

    Forestpines Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2009
    Messages:
    572
    Likes Received:
    481
    Location:
    Bristol
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer

Share This Page