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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by acorb, Jul 26, 2009.

  1. acorb

    acorb Active Member

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    Given how off topic the 75069 thread was going maybe we can continue the interesting SVR loco related discussions here and hopefully in future post any news from the engine sheds to help eliviate the lack of an appropriate website. Locos I would like to see given priority for overhaul are 4930 Hagley Hall (like Broomhalla), ive never seen it steam. Also 7325, very useful and brilliant performer and 7819 Hinton Manor. All the above are appropriate to the line and haven't steamed for a while.
    The SVR has been facing a bit of a loco crisis of late which 43106 should help with, plus we have the impending arrival of Kinlet Hall for the summer season. I have heard that 2857 is making rapid progress (boiler ready for retubing), any ideas for a date for the return to steam? With 1501 looking to be extracted from the enigine house in October things should be looking better in the medium term. 7714 aside what locos are due out of service in the next couple of years?
     
  2. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Mention of a new 3,500 Gallon tender for 7802 in the other thread, is the intention a new tank on the 4000 gallon chassis or a completly new tender ?.
     
  3. hassell_a

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    From the 75069 thread:

    I believe that you have this about right - the SVR has running agreements to overhaul engines, but if there are 2 engine awaiting overhaul in similar condition, and owning group A have a pile of money and/or labour that that they can input, and owning group B don't; then the engine belonging to owning group A is going to be a more attractive option.

    Of course, other factors such as time in the queue, likely total cost of the overhaul and how useful/economical the engine will be to the SVR also come into it.
     
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    I don't think its on the 4000 gallon chassis, but I don't thinks it's a newly built chassis either...
     
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    NDTSDN Part of the furniture

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    Glimpsed the pig today, still in the paintshop.

    The cabside was having some very careful measuring/marking out in readiness for the lining to be applied.
     
  7. 1472

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    The idea of an SVR loco dept thread is a good one - provided it is factual & does not descend into the sort of rubbish and misinformation posted already on the 75069 one by those claiming to "know someone in the know" who are posting misinformation or unecessary personal opinion.

    So in that vein I will update re the tender for 7802. If the posts stay sensible further info will be posted where relevant; if they do not then better use of time will be found,

    The current tender in use is a 4000 gallon one; a type not normally used for the 78xx class but not without BR precedent as 7808 did operate with one in 1964/5 period. 7814 operated with the similar but slightly lower COLLET 3500 tender around that time.

    Whilst this tender remains servicable (no Barry rot here; it came from Swindon full of waste oil!) our group EMF have always felt that the Churchward 3500 type tender is more appropriate for 7802 (and has better visibility for tender 1st running).

    We are therefore investigating the availability of reusable parts, patterns for unavailable parts and the cost of the whole exercise. We have limited funds for this and it is not yet a 100% forgone conclusion that we will proceed with the whole thing though some useful parts have already been acquired and some refurbishment of others put in hand.

    Earlier posts are correct in the assertion that new frames are required as they differ from the 4000gall tender.

    We have already constructed/substantially rebuilt one tender of this type - the one currently behind 7812 - this has new frames/tank etc in fact pretty well all steel sheet and plate on this was new. The other parts also came from atender chassis ex Swindon works.

    If anybody knows of GWR tender parts of any sort which are available for purchase or swappinf please pp me.
     
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    buseng Part of the furniture

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    Not being funny, this is a serious suggestion. Couldn't some arrangement be made with Tyseley to swap tenders with 4965 as this loco has gone the "other way" having a small tender on a Hall.
    Not disputing your info, but I don't remember 7808 having a large tender, as I remember this engine well being shedded at Reading. It certainly did not have one when running the trip from Birmingham to Taplow in 1966? Of course, as can been seen, it currently carries a small tender at Didcot. Just another question, when 7812 was first restored in 1979, I am sure it carried an "intermediate" tender. What happened to this as it now carries a "new" small tender as you say?
     
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    Interesting suggestion re the tender from 4965 but not one in which TYS is believed to be interested.

    7808 definately had the 4000g tender for a working period prior to withdrawl at Gloucester 85B at the end of '65.
    I understand that on purchase by the GWS the tender was then swapped with 7829 before that was dispatched for scrap from 85B (7816 was there also).

    The tender behind 7812 1979 - 1986 was not an intermediate one but a GW 3000 gallon one (mostly used with 2251 class) which was sold to the SDR.

    No origonal intermediate tenders survived but the one with 7325 currently is a preservation era rebuild to that type of tank/coalspace.
     
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    buseng Part of the furniture

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    Ahh, 7816. The one with the "infamous" GWR marked tender (ex 6324? from Reading).
     
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    Whilst giving better visibility for tender first running, isn't the downside very poor weather protection for the crew in inclement weather? Personally I think the 3500 gall tender looks much better on these locos, but do the crew always think so?
     
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    50% of the Shakespeare Express itinery is tender first currently so the better rearward sighting offered by the 3,500 Gallon tender is probably the main reason for 4965 having this type.

    Getting back to 7802, is a tender swap with 7325 while it's out of ticket feasible ?.
     
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    re recent posts - yes the 3500g tender provides a bit less protection tender 1st than the 4000g one - but then no tender loco footplate is very weatherproof going backwards in heavy rain - even the ones with a tender cab do not give full protection.

    The 7325/7802 tender swap is an interseting idea & should be feasible (slight footplate ajustment on tender might be required).

    Currently though it would be logistically difficult as 7325 is on display towards the back of the engine house with a mega shunt & disruption to the displays required to extricate it.

    When 7325 is taken out of the engine house for overhaul & if 7802 is still then in service we will explore the possibility of short term use of its tender as suggested with the owning group (GWSVRA). This would create an authentic combination not yet seen in preservation days. (similarly it would be good to see 7325 with the 3500g std Churchward tender in the future as on 7812 & 2857 currently).
     
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    An interesting and important development with regard to SVR steam motive power is mentioned briefly on page 1 of the Summer 2009 "SVR News".

    I quote: "A wheeldrop facility is under active negotiation, and this will provide a vast improvement to locomotive repair flow".

    Agreed!

    46118
     
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    What about the other engines on the "SE" with large tenders, ie 4936, 5043? In particular 5043 with the Hawkesworth tender which is more enclosed than the Collett type.
     
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    Personally, I prefer the better visibility of the low tender. I have a donkey jacket, hat and scarf to keep the cold out. You still get soaked driving a 4000 gall tender 1st as you have to lean out. By far the worst tender that I have encountered for crew protection are the narrow Fowler ones. Not all agree with me though....
     
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    Not a great deal of choice while 4965 is out for overhaul, no reason it can't be done with a larger tender, just the smaller makes things easier.
     
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    Maybe Tyseley would allow a more temporary tender swap whilst 5043 is in charge of the Shakespeare Express and 4965 is undergoing overhaul? It would make a nice change for either party's locos...
     
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    No argument there, mate!
     
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    Loco 4936 expected to arrive via NR from TYS on 2nd August for a working stay on the SVR of nearly 2 months.
     

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