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LMS Patriot Project Updates

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Gav106, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. DisusedBranch

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    As would losing some of the jargon - talk of trunnions, slide bars and union links will mean absolutely nothing to anyone who doesn't have a fair knowledge of steam locomotives.

    On a forum like this you're preaching to the converted but, if you want to attract new members from an array of backgrounds, easing off on the technical terminology would be advisable.
     
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    So what do you suggest? The thingie which moves the wotsit isn't too helpful, really.

    Since the camera was usually pointing at the object being named, it might be considered a learning tool for those who don't know but would like to.
     
  3. S.A.C. Martin

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    A good balance can be achieved that satisfies everyone, I am sure.
     
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    Oh please let's not go there, if I had a quid for every time I tell people I grew up near Dudley and they try and do a bad Brummie accent and say 'Dudleh' not only would 5551 be in steam (and onto its second livery) there'd be enough in the bank to start a Fowler tank in lined black too! :confused::confused::mad:;)
     
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    I'm not sure that there can be. We are dealing with a technical subject, and the components come with the names given. They are the names whether technical or not; there are no others.

    Otherwise aircraft wings become the 'sticky-out bits on the sides' . There are other names for the wings, all far more technical.
     
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    I agree completely. We are dealing with a piece of Engineering, which people will either know about or will not. If non-Engineers are interested, they will contribute anyway. The commentary was perfectly adequate, as has been said, because the parts being described were being filmed. I am not an Engineer myself, but reading up about a subject works wonders! This is where news reports fall down - Incorrect terminology is being used more and more frequently, because the people reporting on railway news don't do their homework. On that subject, when did people start saying that an engine is "under steam" when it's running? I was brought up knowing it was "in steam" (end of drift!)
    Engineering terminology is what it is - There's no easy way to translate it into layman's terms, otherwise all the technical and workshop practice books written since the year dot would have been written in layman's terms.

    Richard.
     
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    Agreed. Otherwise you are into "that's the waggling lever that moves the rod that ..." which is no clearer than using the correct terms. Moreover, I suspect if you changed the names, you'd just end up raising hackles in a different group who want the precision in terminology.

    There's a difference in using technical terms in a precise way as an aid to clarity to describe specific components and concepts; and jargon which is designed to hide a lack of understanding on the part of those that use it.

    As the old saw has it "everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler".

    Tom
     
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    What an informative film, especially as it appeared to be being done in a single take, plus the guy seems to be doing the narration off the top of his head.
     
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    It's Dudloi isn't it? ;)
     
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    Yoo bay far off there kid :)
     
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    I've seen enough good documentaries to know it's not the names which are the problem, but the presentation. Technical subjects can be broken down and simplified.
     
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    Yes, I did this teaching Mechanical Engineering up to degree level. The way is to describe the function of the object, but you still have to use the correct name. This is fine to a bunch od students in a one hour lecture, but less easy in a ten minute video presentation, and describing the function in this case brings in another level technical phraseology. Eventually ou still have to use the correct name

    The fact is, things have names. If they are not in your normal sphere of operation, they still have the same names. A cup is a cup. What alternative would you use? A container from which to drink liquids? Accurate (although not exhaustive), no doubt, but cup is easier.
     
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    I am not disagreeing with that at all. I agree with you. My point is, and always has been, about presentation.
     
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    I agree. I watched and enjoyed that film, and my main thought, as a steam driver of many years, was, "that bloke knows what he is talking about."
     
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    Ockham's Razor?
    Certainly a common failing. I check and review Engineering reports in my day job. Over-complication is, in my view, more common, and more confusing, than oversimplification. The former is often used to hide behind when something hasn't been understood or hasn't been bottomed out.
     
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    ...and the latter is often, in my experience, just a euphamism for cutting too many corners to meet unrealistic targets (of one sort or another!).
     
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