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82045 The way ahead?

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Kinghambranch, May 24, 2008.

  1. Kinghambranch

    Kinghambranch Well-Known Member

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    I have read with interest the recent comments, arguments and views on this site regarding the "new build" projects, some of which have a significant existing item such as a boiler already available (such as the Brighton Atlantic and 6880) and others where perhaps only a very few original fittings remain. The projects vary from the awesome (Tornado) to the diminutive (GER Tank) but they all have their positive sides and hopefully they will all succeed. After some thought, I have decided to put my money (literally but only a tiny bit at present!) on the proposed Standard 3 Tank at the SVR - 82045. I have decided that this is the new build loco project I want to support for the following reasons:

    1. The class was originally built at Swindon (Hurrah!)
    2. It is a BR Standard loco and is relatively modern (I use the term relatively) and designed for a less labour intensive world.
    3. The boiler is almost the same as a 51xx Prairie boiler and batch building is therefore even more feasible.
    4. It's a tank loco with relatively wide route availability and ideal for nearly all heritage railways. An 82xxx would look OK running bunker first as do most tank locos.
    5. In BR days the class was widely distributed and would therefore not look out of place on most UK heritage lines today.
    6. Of all the proposed new builds, I would argue that it is this one which stands the best chance of being mass produced - potentially dozens will/may need to be built as we have probably reached the late stages of our dependence on oil and we may have to turn back to coal (as an interim perhaps as it is a very dirty fuel) if we are going to run anything at all on railways that have not been electrified. I am not an eco-freak; the evidence shows that its already started.
    I must state that I do not know any of the members of the 82045 Group and I'm not being put up to say this! However, I believe that this project is the one for me to support (albeit in a small way at the moment) and I would recommend that more people do the same. I'm a seriously sceptical so-and-so but I have no doubt that the price of oil and therefore so many other commodities is not going to come down and its time to think about how we keep our railway heritage alive and provide transport for people and goods in 20, 30 and 50 years time. This new build project just might help. Apart from all that, it's actually a nice looking locomotive too!
     
  2. dace83

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    now tordado is going to suceed i think that beachy head and the G5 are best new builds going.
    would like to know more about 82045, any web link
     
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    http://www.82045.org.uk/
     
  4. Broomhalla

    Broomhalla Well-Known Member

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    That's a bit of a cheek. What about us building the Grange? You try telling us that it can't be done.
     
  5. Christopher125

    Christopher125 Part of the furniture

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    I dont think there's anything wrong with what he said, thats his opinion. Im sure the Grange can be done. Not so sure it should be done, or will be done, just like the Patriot and the various projects down at Didcot. Only time will tell if its worth the effort and expense in the long run.

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    i think that these projects work best when they have no competition when there is next-to-no competition for funding. tornado took 18 years to get to where it is now, but with the recent glut of new projects, their fund-raising has almost ground to a halt. projects like the G5 are almost guaranteed success due to the large amount of money required to join the club which means that no begging bowl is required.

    i wouldn't be suprised if half the reason behind the failure of hengeist is due to the market realising that the new-build domain was only big enough for one top-link engine. tornado was that bit further ahead, attracted that bit more in the way of funds, and ended up getting all the attention. maybe if tornado had been a bit slower getting started and hengeist a bit further ahead, we might be talking about a peppercorn A1 sitting in a container and a nearly finished class 6 clan.

    i await with anticipation to see how all the schemes end up, especially the glut of 4-6-0's- the saint, the county, the grange, the patriot and the new B17's. in the last edition of SR, the only projects to be specifically mentioned (ie not just a mention in its new-build table) were tornado (home straight now, what can go wrong), the patriot (supporting base, can arrange a gala), and the B17's launch into the public eye (no mention of location or ammount needed).

    i question the fitness for purpose of some of these new-builds. tornado will be a main line engine, the corris and LBR engines will live at their respective lines, but what about the medium sized tender engines? will they really earn their keep on the mainline, where maintainance and safety equipment can destroy the profit margin (look at leander's reduced itinerary), or travel from line to line, and risk pricing themselves out of the small market they can operate on, like the super D has done.
     
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    i happen to support the grange on easyclick and me and someone else have raised £6.39 towards it.
     
  8. Broomhalla

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    What might i ask is wrong with a Grange that prompts the it shouldn't be built remark. We have a boiler, wheels and a ton of other components since most of what makes the Grange is standard components that are fitted to quite a few other classes of GWR engines.

    I meant my last post in jest because he didn't put us along side the likes of Beachy Head and there is no need to go off like that. Now the standard tank is a good project and there's no doubt about that. It'll suit preserved lines but then so do the standard 4 tanks. Just like the us they'll find some components relatively easy to come by since there are no doubt standard components from other standard class engines they can use. They also have a good base that has the engineering workshops to do most things.

    Horses for courses is the best saying going for the current new builds

    I keep trying to post and so replying to Dace83 last post your support is very much appreciated and it really was meant in jest.
     
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    I can't wait to see and hear GWR rail motor coach at Didcot surely that must be the next big event to look forward to in rebuilds.
    \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
     
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    ovbulleid says the new build of the Clan 'Hengist' has failed, which could not be further from the truth in fact the S.S.L.C Ltd has taken the steps to start the construction of the frames, the Company has also taken on the services of Ian Riley and Son Ltd to erect the frames and fit the components they already have in store. The South Devon Railway workshop are finishing the smokebox barrel and all the associated parts and various other components will be rivereted together to complete the smokebox, this then together with the nearly funished cab will go to Mr Riley in Bury to be erected on the locomotive. So the project is far from being dead and buried!!
     
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    Cab and smokebox are hardly a sign of serious progress...they are little more than thin sheet steel and a simple framework. The cheapest and easiest parts to manufacture.

    Wheels? Cylinders? Motion, reversing, and brake gear and associated brackets? Boiler?
     
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    Frames are hardly complicated or expensive relative to the rest of the engine, plus they take up large amounts of room. Better to concentrate on the smaller parts, as at least they have resale value should the project fold. I think people have to be realistic, it had a chance when the only other rebuild vying for people's money was Tornado (more or less), but with projects to rebuild several BR, SR, LMS, LNWR, GWR, LNER and GCR classes (im sure there are more) a Clan has neither the glamour nor the reputation to consistently keep raising money for the next 10-15 years. It just hasnt.

    Chris
     
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    having just been over the updated hengist website, it would seem that what i thought was a failure was indeed a temporary lull in construction. however, until a few weeks ago (with the exception of the cab and the smokebox) all the fabricated components listed on the website were small enough to pick up. please excuse my cynicism, but when the boiler meets the frames (and the tender is in one piece), that is when i consider the project to have well and truly made it.
     
  14. What about a L&Y rail motor new build it would serve a good purpose in demonstrating how to build a rail motor properly with ease of maintenance built in
     
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    Tornado's fund raising hasn't almost ground to a halt. The opposite is true. We are raising record breaking sums from supporters old and new. And we need to as we have up to 15 people working on Tornado every day in Darlington Locomotive Works and are spending around £60,000 every month on construction. We will also have debts of £800,000 to service on completion. Visit www.a1steam.com for the facts!

     
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    Tornado's fund raising hasn't almost ground to a halt. The opposite is true. We are raising record breaking sums from supporters old and new. And we need to as we have up to 15 people working on Tornado every day in Darlington Locomotive Works and are spending around £60,000 every month on construction. We will also have debts of £800,000 to service on completion. Visit www.a1steam.com for the facts!
     
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    my mistake, i had just heard that you guys hadn't been able to fundraise as much as you had in the past, which may have been due to the recent apearance of a number of projects. serves me right for listening to tall tales and conjecture, or nat-pres as its otherwise known...
     
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    Nat pres ,,,,,where bullpoo starts
     
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    There are plenty of other places that have come up with far worse.....
     
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